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Over the weekend, A Suitable Wardrobe offered up this picture with a general endorsement of the casual ascot, suddenly a very real threat to crewnecks everywhere. It’s advanced tradwear, to be sure, even if the knot’s not as complicated as you think—but we’re still going to have to give this one a pass. The reason is simple: most ascots are hideously ugly. It’s quite a job to find one that’s not paisley or polka-dotted. Even then they tend to be made of lounge-lizard satin, which makes them hard to work into an even minorly rugged wardrobe. That’s not to say there isn’t possibility—this kind of trad trickle-down has produced good results in the past—but until someone starts making them in chambray, it’s going to be a tough sell.

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